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Danish cartoons: Freedom of expression or licence to insult |
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11-02-2006 07:41
Auteur : Astrid Essed
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With the publication of the Danish cartoons under the pretext of freedom of opinion, the European papers not only show an elementar respect for moslims, they also are escalating the existing tensions |
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The Danish cartoons: Freedom of _expression or licence to insult
Since a couple of weeks, a deep crisis has been developed regarding the publication dd september 2005 by the Danish paper The Jylands Posten of twelve cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, among else depicting him as a terrorist.
A number of Arabic governments and the Iran government not only asked the Danish ambassador for an explanation, also a great number of Arabic supermarkets decided to remove Danish products, for example in Saudi-Arabia, Algeria, Bahrein, Jordan, Kuwait, Morrocco, Qatar, Yemen and Tunesia Recently, dd 6-2, the Iran government has decided to cut off all commercial relations with the Denmark. Also the governments of Saudi Arabia and Libia has closed their embassies in Denmark.
Apart from those government-reactions, a great number of muslims protested against those cartoons, by which in many cases European embassies, in particular Danish embassies, were being violated. Also the protests were expanded to the American military. Recently four people were killed by the often trigger happy Afghan police, when a group of people marched on a U.S. military base in Southern-Afghanistan, out of protests against the Danish cartoons
To give a thourough analysis of this crisis and the controversy between the freedom of _expression, which is the point of view of most European media, and the lack of respect, which is the point of view of most muslims in and outside Europe, it is of importance to give a short review of the events.
The first publication of the Danish cartoons:
Dd 30-9-2005, the first publication by the Danish paper The Jylands Posten took place. This caused a strong reaction, not only under moslims and moslim-organisations in Denmark, but also in Arabic diplomatic circles. They asked for a conversation with the Danish prime-minister Rasmussen, who refused. Seeing the recent crisis, mr Rasmussen has tried to calm down this by means of diplomacy, which failed. However, he refused to make further excuses about the cartoons, calling the publications of the cartoons ''freedom ofexpression''
The second publication of the Danish cartoons:
However, despite of the crisis, which was caused by the first publication and which has also led to serious threatments to the address of the cartoonists, the Jylands Posten decided to republish the cartoons after the Christmas-period
It needs no surprise at all, that this second publication again lead to a serious crisis, by which not only the Danish government was being asked for an explanation, but also Danish products were being boycotted, diplomatic and commercial relations were broken and a huge people's protest in a great number of countries burst out. The main protests took place in Saudi-Arabia, the occupied Gaza-area, the occupied West-Bank, Yemen, Somalia, Indonesia, the by India ruled disputed Kashmir area, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Libanon.
Probably under the pressure of the worldwide protests, the Jylands Posten offered her excuses to the moslims dd 30-1, which was being accepted by the islamic community in Denmark
The publication of the cartoons in the European media:
Soon after the first reactions from the Arabic world on the second publication of the referred cartoons, a number of European media-papers, following the line of the Jylands Posten, were publishing also the Danish cartoons, claiming that they did this under the pretext of ''freedom of _expression'' The cartoons were among else published in several Norwegian, Swedish, Dutch, French, Belgian, Italian and German papers
The editor of the French paper ''France Soir'' not only was publishing them, but also added some own caricatural contributions to them. Therefore he was fired soon after publising the cartoons As reaction, out of socalled solidarity with his indeed unacceptable resignation and again, in the name of the 'freedom of _expression'', a number of Belgian papers were also publishing the cartoons.
Of course it is evident, that the European newspapers have the right on publishing the cartoons as an information-source for the judgment of the public opinion. However, out of their point of view and regarding some editorial comments, they are of the opinion, that freedom of _expression can be ventilated totally, without any consideration for the religious rights of certain groups of people
Freedom ofexpression versus licence to insult:
Of course I consider freedom of _expression as one of the most fundamental rights of humanity, but that doesn't imply, that there is no limitation to it. Without any limitation namely, anywone would be free to utter racism and anti-semitism and other fundamental violations of human rights, as being condemned by as well European legislative law as International Law In extremis it can lead to the opinion of a Dutch cartoonist J Collignon, who remarked in connection with the crisis round the cartoons, that it is no problem to publish Mein Kampf either
Also the socalled defenders of the freedom ofexpression forget, that their own legislative law has limited a total freedom of opinion, because the rights of different groups would be violated, as is being said above
In the first place, in European legislative Law, The ECHR [European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms], article 10 guarantees the freedom of _expression, there is an addition, that states that it is limited ''by everyone's responsibility of the law''
In the Netherlands, where a great number of papers have published the cartoons, also article 7 of the Constitution guarantees the freedom of _expression, there is an addition, that states that it is limited ''by each responsibility of the law''
Article 1 of the Dutch Constitution states, that racism and discrimination is not permitted.
Insult of the religion of certain groups:
More specifically yet, article 137c of the Dutch criminal law, forbids insults of the religion of the several groups in society
The insulting character of the cartoons:
It is obvious, that the Danish cartoons, from which some are depicting the for muslims holy Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist, is violating the muslims in their most sacred feelings and is therefore a violation of their religious rights. Moreover the provocation lies in the fact, that it also implies a connection between the Islam and terrorism, which makes fundamentally no sense (being, like Christianity and Judaism, based on the principle of Love) and also a connection between muslims in general and terrorism, a serious European prejudice.
However I think, this is not only a question of legislative law, but responds also to the deeper principle of fundamental respect for other human beings.
By publishing those cartoons, the European papers not only has shown a fundamental lack of respect for the muslims outside Europe, but also for their moslims-co-citizens on their own country.
This sort of freedom of opinion bigotry is leading in extremis only to the further escalation of the growing tension between European autochtones and especially islamic allochtones, with the great risk of further radicalisation.
Reactions in the Arabic world:
Of course I am of the opinion, that the diplomatic reactions of the Arabic and Iranian government, not only regarding the boycot of the Danish poducts, but especially also against the Danish government, are extrapoportionnal, since the government of a country has no power over the edition-policy of a newspaper.
Also I condemn the reactions of violence in parts of the islamic world, which is directed against the foreign embassies.
However it is evident, that such an outburst of violence has more causes than the publication of the cartoons
Backgrounds of the violent outbursts:
Yet apart from the reaction on the publications of the Danish cartoons, it is obvious, that for such outbursts, more explanations must be seek
I am of the strong opinion, that those violent reactions, which take place in so many countries, are directly interconnected with the feelings of powerlessness and humiliations, which are being mainly caused by the European military support of the British-American occupation of Afghanistan and especially Iraq. This is also combined with the decennia-long European political attitude to the Middle-East crisis, which is de jure condemning the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian areas and the Israeli war-crimes and human rights violations, but de facto is maintaining the status quo, by not taking any political or economical measures to pressure on Israel to implement the UN-Security Resolution 242 dd 1967, to withdraw our of the occupied territories and also to dismantle the settlements, which are illegal according to International Law and break down the Wall, which has been condemned by the International Court of Justice dd 9-7-2004, because of cutting through occupied Palestinian area.
This, in combination with the since 11 september 2001 amounted anti-Islam hysteria in Europe, from which the publication of those cartoons are one of the utterings, is leading to those violent protests, which is only being worsened by the provocative attitude of a number of European papers, from which for example the Dutch Volkskrant [literary translared: People's Paper] is one of the most extreme, by publishing the cartoons two times in a short period.
Denigrated remarks of de Volkskrant:
Not only ''De Volkskrant'' was very bigot in her defense of the freedom of _expression by placing the cartoons twice, in an editionary comment ''Geen slappe knieeen'' [''No weak knees'', by wich was meant no capitulation for ''religious fundamentalism'', which as so often in the European media is used in a wrong way] she also utttered very denigrating remarks considering the muslim protesters. So every protest was being ''directed'' from ''the authorities'', by which they forgot, that it is highly unlikely, that so many protests in so many countries would be ''put in scene'' Further they called the protests ''opgelopte lucht'' [litery ''cooked air'', which means ''of no real meaning and irrational''], which shows a complete lack of respect for the intelligence and think-capacity of the protesters.
Further the Volkskrant also neglected a remark by a French muslimleader, who was comparing the cartoons with the anti-semite cartoons from the 30 years of the former century Their comment was, that the comparison was not just, because the systematic nazi-propaganda of that time is not to be connected with those cartoons
Anti-Islamhysteria:
Yet the Volkskrant is missing a very important point here. Although there the anti-Islamhysteria is happily not to be compared with the nazi-propaganda from the years 30 of the former century, yet there are comparisons. For example the Jews were being considered as untrustworthy [the same qualification is given to moslims nowaday in Europe], they would plan an ''international plot to dominate the world'' [compare with the generalisation of all moslims with the ''international terrorism''] and they were out to ''destroy the German cultural society'' [compare with the muslims, who would ''destruct'' ''the democratical European society'']
In my opinion I am also supported by no-one less than the very respected Dutch-Jewish rabbi Soetendorp, who stated that there are a number of comparisons between the anti-semite propaganda in the 30 years and the present European anti-Islamhysteria.
Political signature of the Jylands Posten:
Considering the Jylands Posten, it is perhaps interesting to commemorate, that this paper was in the 20, 30 and 40ths of the former century, a fervent political supporter of the racist-facistic regimes of as well Hitler as Mussolini Although the past is not to be considered in this, it is being named by me, because nowadays this paper is a very right-wing paper also with ideological ties with the extreme right party in Denmark
Reaction of the AEL [Arab-European League]
The chairman of the Arab-European League, mr D Abou Jahjah, has recently decided, in reaction on the publication by the European media, also to publish a number of cartoons. The deeper meaning is not only to explore the limits of real freedom ofexpression, by placing certain cartoons, which are a taboo in the European ideological train of thought, but also confont the European defenders of the freedom of _expression, who don´t care about insulting the feelings of muslims, with cartoons, which are shocking to them.
Considering the fact, that the holocaust is such a taboo, he has placed already a cartoon, by which Hitler shares the bed with Anne Frank
Although I can understand the purpose of this and in reactions a possible double standard point of view can be read, I think it is unacceptable to make a cartoon, even for testing this principle, of a genocide like the holocaust.
In that respect also the comparison would have more meanful, when the AEL had published a rabbi, being a terrorist.
I know almost certainly, that that would not be considered als ´´´freedom ofexpression´´, but as anti-semitism.
My other objection however is, that it is better to protest against the publication of the cartoons, rather than to place possible shocking cartoons, but of course that is the responsibility of the AEL-Europe.
Conclusion
Overwiewing the insulting character of the publication of the cartoons and the fact, that the freedom of _expression has its limits, when it comes to violating of the rights of groups of people, regardless whether they are cultural, national or religious, it would be wise, when the European media would not have pubish them, at least not out of the point of view of ´´defending of the freedom ofexpression´´
In the first place, there is a difference between freedom ofexpression and licence for insult In the second place, papers have not only their responsibility to bring news as objectively as]they can, but also a responsibility to society in respecting all citizens, also people, who have a different religion and descent Depicting intentionally cartoons, knowing it will hurt people in their deepest authentic feelings, whether religious or on another part of their identity, lacks the most elementar feeling of respect, which is also a part of the principles of democracy
By this arrogant attitude, only national and world-tensions will escalate, with as a consequence an amount of bitterness on the side of the powerless and already humiliated people in this world
It is time for Western media and a number of anti-religious or anti-Islam intellectualistic publicists, columnists, to show some respect.
Without that attitude, violent outbursts and more tensions will be the answer
I´´ll end to show my respect and appreciation for those European papers, which didn´t publish the cartoon in a senseless obsession with the ´´freedom ofexpression´´
In that respect many European newspapers could learn from the American papers, from which a very little part has published those cartoons
Astrid Essed Amsterdam The Netherlands
P-S
See for the political signature of the Jylands Posten http://dearkitty.modblog.com/core.mod?show=blogview&blog_id=807007
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back to the dark ages |
2006-02-11 10:51 |
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freedom of speech and freedom of the press has to be defended against any religious system that tries to turn back the wheels of history. it's a utterly naive and apolitical thinking that affiliates with the islamo-fascists and other conservative religious groups. fuck mohammed and his disciples! |
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voltaire
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Vorbereitung zum Krieg gegen den Iran |
2006-02-11 12:57 |
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http://doku.argudiss.info/data/karika_streit_hb_0206_ank.pdf
(Ankündigung eines Vortrags am Do 16.02.06, 19.00 Uhr Ort: Bürgerhaus Weserterrassen, Osterdeich 70 b, Bremen)
Karikaturenstreit & Irankonflikt: Die Toleranten betreiben Feindbildpflege für ihren nächsten Krieg gegen die "Achse des Bösen"
Die Redakteure einer dänischen Zeitung sind es endgültig leid. Niemand im Land sagt einmal frei heraus, wie er über die Ausländermuslime wirklich denkt. Dem Fremdkörper in den eigenen Reihen wird die Kraft einer inneren Zensur nachgesagt, die aus senkrechten Dänen krumme Duckmäuser gemacht hat. Ein Karikaturenwettbewerb wird ausgelobt. Auftrag: Mohammed malen. Das ist für sich schon schweres Geschütz für muslimische Gläubige. Sie halten jede bildliche Darstellung ihres Propheten für Blasphemie. Die eingereichten Karikaturen setzen aber noch eins drauf. Mohammed trägt z.B. einen Hut mit Bombe, so dass auch der trübsinnigste Däne von schallendem Gelächter heimgesucht wird. Er erkennt einfach das Feindbild wieder, das schon länger im Umlauf ist: Der Islam gilt als Nährboden von Gewalt und Terrorismus, der weltweit federführend durch die USA bekämpft wird. Soweit zum Verhältnis von Karikatur und Humor. Der erwartete Aufschrei der Muslime bleibt aus, so dass die enttäuschten Redakteure ihre Bildchen persönlich bei führenden Imamen in Dänemark und anderswo präsentieren. Jetzt kommt die Sache ins Rollen. Demonstrationen von Muslimen im In- und Ausland, Botschaften in arabischen Ländern brennen, Staaten wie Iran, Saudi-Arabien und andere setzen Wirtschaftsbeziehungen mit Dänemark, aber auch anderen europäischen Staaten aus und rufen ihre Botschafter zurück. Das Abendland kann nicht länger untätig bleiben und sorgt für geistige Orientierung. Merkel, Stoiber und sogar Bush haben Verständnis für "verletzte religiöse Gefühle", aber Gewalt darf kein Mittel des Dialogs sein. Ein Satz, der im Unterschied zu den Karikaturen das Zeug zum Witz hat. Der Krieg gegen Irak ist noch nicht fertig, der gegen Iran in Vorbereitung, und diesmal will auch die Bundeskanzlerin militärische Gewalt als deutsche Option auf dem Tisch halten: Sind solche Typen wirklich gegen Gewalt - oder gegen die der anderen? Dass die Politiker des Westens auf jeden Fall bei allem im Recht sind, was sie tun, dafür sorgt die zweite Abteilung der geistigen Orientierung. Der Islam ist eine rückständige, dem Mittelalter verhaftete religiöse Geisteshaltung, die zur Intoleranz neigt, wie die brennenden Botschaften zeigen. Die aufgeklärte Zivilisation des Westens dagegen bietet Christen, ja sogar Moslems ein Plätzchen unter dem Dach der Meinungsfreiheit und Toleranz an. Nicht auszudenken, was die Intoleranten noch alles anstellen, wenn sie wie im Iran demnächst auch noch über eine Atombombe verfügen sollten. Wehret den Anfängen, wenn es nicht anders geht, auch mit Krieg. Krieg im Namen der Toleranz – das wirft dann doch ein paar Fragen auf: Wozu taugen sie überhaupt, die überlegenen Werte Meinungsfreiheit und Toleranz? Liegen die Gründe für den weltweiten Krieg gegen antiamerikanischen Terrorismus wirklich auf dem Feld der Glaubens- und Pressefreiheit? Wie tolerant sind die Toleranten wirklich? Eine Atombombe in iranischer Hand halten sie für unerträglich. Die eigenen Arsenale können nicht genug davon haben. Das Thema im GEGENSTANDPUNKT: 4-03: Spiegel spezial: „Allahs blutiges Land. Der Islam und der Nahe Osten“. Das neue Feindbild der Feien Welt im Glaubwürdigkeitstest 2-05: Die Iran-Diplomatie der EU-Troika, in: Nato heute 3-05: Amerikas Krieg gegen den Terrorismus. Umsturz von oben beim saudi-arabischen Vasallen 3-05: Europas Diplomatie mit Iran: Deutscheuropäische Weltfriedenspolitik mit einem erklärten Feind Amerikas
www.gegenstandpunkt.com |
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ehrverletzer
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US-Senator MCCain meinte auf der SIKO in München: |
2006-02-11 14:08 |
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"Es gibt nur eines, was schlimmer ist als ein Militärschlag: ein atomar bewaffneter Iran"
aus:
www.farberot.de -> "Iran-Atomstreit" |
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atomwaffensperrvertrag
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atomare bewaffnung |
2006-02-11 16:22 |
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recht hat er, der senator! |
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realo
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zum stress mit der religion |
2006-02-11 21:39 |
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hat sich mensch schon mal gefragt,
dass der islam - wie alle religionen - von den menschen gemacht wird, die ihn leben?
dass der islam - noch etwas stärker als andere religionen - antiemanzipatorisch ist, dass einem schlecht werden könnte?
wieso in den arabischen medien jahrzehntelang übelste antisemitische karikaturen verbreitet wurden, ohne dass sich hier jemand darüber aufgeregt hat?
wieso gemässigte muslime beleidigt sind wegen den karikaturen und nicht gar so empört über die fundamentalisten, die zu diesen karikaturen anregen?
ob es den muslimischen männern, frauen und kindern wohl spass bereitet, tagtäglich einer religiösen hirnwäsche unterzogen zu werden wie früher die katholiken und protestanten auch in unseren gegenden?
säkularisierung subito!
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woody allen II.
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die eigentlichen rassisten... |
2006-02-11 22:00 |
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... sind wohl die, die jetzt mitleid heucheln mit den beleidigten muslimen: die sehen es allem anschein nach lieber, wenn die iraner, iraker, afghanen, palästinenser etc. von einer schlimmen religion in physischer und geistiger unfreiheit gehalten werden. wäre es diesen rassisten wohl auch lieber, wenn wir hierzulande noch von einer dogmatisch waltenden katholischen kirche geknechtet würden? wenn nein: wieso den muslimischen bürgerInnnen die freiheiten, die wir geniessen, dann vorenthalten?
wir täten besser daran, die liberalen und linken kräfte in den staaten des nahen ostens und anderswo, die momentan kaum vernehmlich, aber durchaus vorhanden sind, zu unterstützen. sonst lieber schweigen, oder es wird peinlich...
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linker
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Im Iran gab und gibt es emanzipatorische Kräfte |
2006-02-11 23:02 |
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Die wurden allerdings seit dem Einmarsch der säkularen Staaten in den Irak sehr geschwächt. Der Westen wurde für viele, die noch vor wenigen Jahren grosse Sympathien z.B. zu England hatten, plötzlich zum barbarischen Tyrannen. Zusätzlich stärkt die Machtübernahme im Neuen Irak durch die schiitischen Mullahs die Macht der Mullahs im Iran. Merke und wiederhole:
Dem Westen geht es heutzutage nicht mehr um Demokratie, sondern einzig und allein um das Öl, und um die Gewinnzahlen, den Profit, der ja bei uns vom einst anrüchigen und zwielichtigen Phänomen (in den sozialdemokratischen 70er Jahren) zum alleinigen und einzigen Ideal unserer Gesellschaft geworden ist. Menschenrechte sind ein Wirtschaftshemmnis. China macht uns vor, wie unsere Zukunft bestenfalls aussieht!
Alles Leben geht vor die Säue, und die Säue sitzen über allen und allem zu Gericht! |
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optimist
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Rassisten? |
2006-02-12 11:51 |
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Die grössten Rassisten sind die arabischen und die asiatischen Länder. Nicht auf den Einzelnen ist das bezogen, sondern auf die Gesetze in diesen Ländern. Andersgläubige können nach Herzenslust als Schweine und ähnliches karikiert werden. Das ist normal. Diese Moslems kommen mir genau so vor wie die bigotten Amerikaner - 2 verschiedene Massstäbe sind da normal. |
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Schweizer
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Liberté et respect |
2006-02-15 19:20 |
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La contre-partie de la liberté de croyance est le respect des croyances des autres.
Ces dessins ne sont pas droles, donc je ne les qualifierais pas de caricatures, ce ne sont que des dessins qui expriment le racisme de leurs auteurs.
Il y eu un époque où la judéophobie s'installât dans la société. On connaît le résultat: une guerre qui fit plus de 50 millions de morts. Voulons-nous vraiment répéter cela au nom de la haîne que certains éprouvent envers les musulmans?
C'est en fait déjà en train de se répéter. De la Palestine à l'Afganistan en passant par l'Iraq, c'est bel et bien l'Occident qui bombarde et occupe ces pays.
Tout colonialisme commence par du racisme, car il faut bien justifier moralement de telles entreprises. Et cela seul le racisme le permet!
L'antidote est toujours le même, qu'il s'agisse de destruction de l'environnement, de destruction de nos ressources ou de destruction de nos semblables: le respect! |
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Dominique |
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geistige unfreiheit? |
2006-02-16 16:37 |
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kannst du das auch erklären? |
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16 000 Gather to protest against Castor
10-11-2008 20:09 - TrippinOnTheNukes
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Update Tierrechtsgefangene
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10-11-2008 18:31 - zahra_1980@hotmail.fr
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Update Tierrechtsgefangene
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10-11-2008 18:25 - lili
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[Lugano] Selva Squat évaqué ce matin!
10-11-2008 09:59 - Tessinois@
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témoignage de l’evacuation du camping contre sommet de vichy
10-11-2008 05:12 - .
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G20 ; 2 propositions de notre avenir
10-11-2008 01:48 - GeoMedia
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Indymedia.org sanctionné à Genève !
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09-11-2008 16:22 - Franco Maiullari
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Appel de soutien à L'EspaceNoir (St-imier, jura Suisse)
09-11-2008 14:18 - schmarotzerin
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Le Paraguay ou un féodalisme sud-américain
09-11-2008 03:37 - amerikenlutte
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Stop The Game! Manifs Lausanne et Bienne
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08-11-2008 12:56 - Action Autonome
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Manif nationale, 15 nov. Zürich
07-11-2008 18:22 - tikko-katari
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Appel a la solidaritè internationale pour les roms d'talie
07-11-2008 02:03 - Everyone group
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Jean marc Rouillan veut tourner la page sans la déchirer
07-11-2008 01:14 - Cqfd
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Demain 7 Nov Place Bel-air, dès 17 h, Lausanne
06-11-2008 20:43 - manifestation demain 7 dès 17 heures
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Aperitif ou Selva Squat Anarchico
06-11-2008 18:09 - Selva Squat Anarchico
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TOUS A LA RUE LE 15 DANS LE MONDE ENTIER!! CRISE: PAIEN EUX
06-11-2008 16:53 - PRENSA POPULAR SOLIDARIDAD COMUNISTAS MIRANDA
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Manifestation anticapitaliste: STOP THE GAME! 7.11.09
06-11-2008 13:26 - Action Autonome
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Grenoble: Réouverture du Caddie-Yack !
06-11-2008 10:40 - caddie-yack at squat.net
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La carotte et de en plus, le bâton, Résistons ensemble, N°69
06-11-2008 10:15 - Résistons ensemble
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L'Agitateur, nouveau fanzine libertaire
06-11-2008 08:19 - Henri Casta
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Fight the players! Fight the game! Abolir le capitalisme!
05-11-2008 22:05 - Unia Jeunesse
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Concert homophobe à Lausanne (Métropop-Festival)
05-11-2008 05:45 - Stop Murder Music Bern
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Manifestation devant Philip Morris.
03-11-2008 15:10 - PM
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Ecrivez à France Express, complice de la vivisection
03-11-2008 12:07 - AUTREMEDIA
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